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City Council Finance Committee Meeting Minutes 09/14/15 Page 3 of 8 must be included in the Model as many residents use them, and in absence of them, would be loading up Community Parks. Members then discussed facility replacement costs. Director Russ stated that the Arts Center, Museum, and Niehoff were not included in the Fiscal Impact Model. Director Russ stated that they would be difficult to measure, to determine the current service levels, and are impacted by regional area use. Russ questioned whether or not new growth would or should necessarily trigger a new facility. Councilmember Keany stated that while a new museum would probably not be triggered by growth, the need for additional "art center" type facilities could be as existing space reaches capacity, or more simply availability. City Manager Fleming agreed and stated that the Arts Center and Niehoff should be incorporated into the Model. Director Russ stated that Niehoff would be added to office space, and that staff would work to identify measures to be used for the Arts Center. The Finance Committee agreed to include shared space with a school district in the Fiscal Impact Model as a neighborhood park. City Manager Fleming agreed but stated the sharing of space has not always been as promised as in the case of the Louisville Elementary gym, even though the City has paid for various improvements. Councilmember Stolzmann stated that she would like to see a summary table that explains what capacity means for each facility and department. She requested staff provide one scenario from the Fiscal Impact Model that members could make changes to and see the various outcomes. Councilmember Keany agreed stating that the previous information provided based on interviews between TischlerBise and the City departments indicate none of the facilities or departments are at capacity. Member Keany stated in his opinion, the public would not agree. Mayor Muckle stated that he believes the Senior Center and Recreation Center are well over capacity. Resident Leary stated that the City needs to define "crowding" and determine how to place a value on the "social cost" of such crowding. Mr. Leary stated that some items generated from a Fiscal Impact Model relate to an economic impact, but many others are level of service issues. Mr. Leary stated that the Models can provide the information, but Council should set the levels of service. Member Stolzmann stated that in her opinion, a level of service relates directly to an experience, and vice versa. Director Russ stated that not all departments or areas are impacted in the same way when there is growth or new developments. Councilmember Keany stated that, if we are at capacity now, then any new development would put us over 4