Open Space Advisory Board Agenda and Packet 2014 09 10

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Open Space Advisory Board Minutes August 13th, 2014 Page 3 of 6 There are 174 sign posts, 230 signs. Harlan broke down sign posts by types— most are 4x4 cedar posts. Most post have either informational or regulation signs on them. Harlan noted that most posts have multiple signs on them. He also found evidence of redundant signs, which could be targeted for reducing sign clutter. Sun fading is a major maintenance issue. Graffiti is another issue. Temporary signs are common and don't last. Harlan noted that the signage tends to be inconsistent. He presented the example of the text and colors of the "no dogs allowed" signs at Davidson Mesa. Ember suggests that part of the problem is that staff has recycled a lot of old signs to save money. Harlan also found examples of signs being obscured by private property vegetation. "Sign Clutter" is a subjective measure. Residents tend to add lost /found signs to signposts increasing clutter. Harlan presented several examples of places where there was very high sign density. With the McCaslin underpass, the signs went from 30 signs to 18 signs, showing how a uniform, strategic plan of sign placement can lead to less clutter. Harlan broke down the number of signs along each of the "corridors" identified by the wayfinding subcommittee, and found large number variation between corridors, suggesting an inconsistent sign placement strategy. Christopher asked whether using icons or signs were more effective than text. Harlan suggested that icons are good, so long as they are well- understood. He also suggested that people would give a sign about 1 second of their time, so icons might help there. Helen asked whether the inventory included the material of the signs themselves. Ember and Harlan suggested that most are either road -sign standards or stickers over aluminum (which are easy to replace). Ember brought in an email from a citizen (in packet) involving dogs on leash. Ember gets a lot of temporary sign requests and read us a few. She tends to put up white temporary sign posts and temporary educational signs to address these concerns. Missy asked if there are any places were temporary signs requests come frequently. Harlan and Ember said they get a lot of request for dogs on leash at Davidson, Warembourg, and Coal Creek. They get "Share the trail" requests at North and Coal Creek. Missy asked if the rules and regulation signs locations are standardized. Ember answered that they try to put them at property entrances and major trail intersections. Linda asked if signs ever blow over. Harlan answered that permanent sign posts never blow over, but that temporary signs frequently blow over. The board discussed the semantic difference between educational and informational signs and how showing people the logic of rules improves compliance. 4